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The Gift of Desperation, A Conversation with Al

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Theo and his guest, Al, originally met over a chessboard when they were incarcerated. Today, they’re both addiction recovery veterans who are passing along their wisdom and experience to a younger generation.

In this episode, Al speaks with Theo about stubbornness, suicidal ideations, and what he calls, 'The gift of desperation.'

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